FactCheck: Firefighters vs. Giuliani

The union representing New York City firefighters is running a misleading video blaming former Mayor Rudy Giuliani for the deaths of more than 100 firefighters at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

We agree that Giuliani bears some responsibility for the widely documented failings of the fire department's radio communications on 9/11. It is true that the effective functioning of the fire department is a major responsibility of any ... Full Story »

Posted by Leo Romero
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Subjects: Politics, Business, Media
Topics: Media and Politics, Rudy Giuliani
Member Tags: Yeah, sure!, brooks jackson, swift boat, Firefighter deaths on 9/11
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Posted by: Posted by Leo Romero - Jul 19, 2007 - 10:37 AM PDT
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Edited by: Leo Romero - Jul 20, 2007 - 2:26 PM PDT

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David Starr
4.5
by David Starr - Oct. 1, 2008

Debunks a political smear video put out on UTube by the New York fire fighters union against Rudi Giuliani. Author includes a bibliography of 13 articles backing up his points. It doesn't get much better than that.

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Polly Briley
2.1
by Polly Briley - Oct. 1, 2008

Brooks Jackson has a complicated history with "analysis." When reviewing his truthiness please also review his analysis of other issues such as the social security debate, iraq war debate and most interesting his "analysis" of the original swift boaters. Then enjoy how he equates this new video with that one. Perhaps his summary should be read in a whole new light.

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Lynn Caporale
2.5
by Lynn Caporale - Oct. 1, 2008

It is good to fact check, but this reminds me of a fact checker in the 2004 election criticising Edwards for saying that the Iraq war would cost over $200 billion. This "fact check" gets some things very wrong. For example, it seems to blame the height of the buildings for the failure of the radios, "indeed, some radios did not pick up transmissions because they just didn't work very well in a high-rise building." well, isn't that the precise problem? Where do these fact checkers live, in some suburb full of two-storey homes? THe FDNY MUST have radios that "work very well in a high-rise building" something that was a clear conclusion from the first WTC bombing. Giuliani certainly should be criticized because, after all, the ... More »

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Chris J. Breisch
4.4
by Chris J. Breisch - Oct. 1, 2008

This is one of the better FactCheck pieces. Sometimes you feel as if you need to fact check FactCheck, but this is well sourced, and even in its criticism of both sides.

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Dwight Rousu
3.9
by Dwight Rousu - Oct. 1, 2008

The 9/11 commission was a long delayed and largely political whitewash operation that changed testimony to protect the administration, and so provides a questionable source in itself to use for fact checking. Fact checking should be performed on the commission report itself. Yet, many of their criticisms of the IAFF release seem to be worthy of presenting and evaluating. Tying the drift of this checking with their hit piece on Kucinich's war spending claim in the debates tends to cast a doubt on the true independence of the predispositions to the investigations performed by FactCheck.

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Martha Rosler
2.2
by Martha Rosler - Oct. 1, 2008

An important discussion, but having lived through it all and having been in the frozen zone almost every day for 6 months after 9/11, the firefighters are on balance correct. Rudy ignored the likelihood of another attack on the towers, insanely placed his command center and zillions of gallons of fuel in the Towers complex, played fast and loose with the health and communication of the firefighters, installed cat's paws as commissioners, insisted on carting away debris, with human remains, much too early to Fresh Kills in SI and sold the metal for scrap, minimized the subsequent health risks, and other unlovely acts while acting like Mr Nice Guy on the media. New Yorkers endured 2 terms of this authoritarian scold who was low ... More »

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Jim Mac Donald
4.6
by Jim Mac Donald - Oct. 1, 2008

Sadly another case of the Unions fight to put Democrats in office. We have seen and will see mopre of this sort of nonsense.

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Leo Romero
4.5
by Leo Romero - Oct. 1, 2008
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