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87 million Americans will be forced out of their coverage under new health care regulations from President Obama.
Orrin Hatch, U.S. Senator on Health insurance
Source: hatch.senate.gov
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FalseThis quote wasn't easy to fact-check, for several reasons: Hatch doesn't provide a source for his figures or much of a clue as to what he's talking about. A Republican member of Congress issued similar talking points that provided an incorrect link to the federal regulations he's referring to. And while Hatch says this with certainty, the regulations only predict what could happen in the future.
Score one for crowdsourcing, though: NewsTrust contributor Gerald Zuckier found the right set of regulations, read them and concluded that Hatch misstates what the regulations say. After reading the regulations, we agree.
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Jon Mitchell
FalseSteve and Gerald really did the heavy lifting on this one. Since I was "not sure" before, I'm changing my vote to support their excellent verdict. -
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Joey Baker
FalseSen. Hatch put a spin on the stat which states that 87 million Americans might have to switch healthcare plans, not that they will loose health insurance as Hatch implies. -
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Kelly McBride
FalseA lot of small businesses may decide to stop offering health care as a benefit, because there employees can get better options out on their own. -
Fred Gatlin
FalseThe incoming Governor of Kansas (a current US Senator) was opposed to the so called Obama Healthcare plan, but when asked about the details knew nothing about them. Senator Hatch apparently knows nothing about the plan either. -
Steve Myers
FalseHatch writes in his letter that new regulations governing the treatment of existing health plans means that 87 million people will be forced out of their coverage. However, I don't know the source of this information. Hatch cites a report published by the American Action Forum that argues that employers will have an incentive to drop their health care plans. This appears to be a supplemental argument, as Hatch says in his letter that the regulations will result in the loss of coverage. This post from U.S. Rep Dave Camp, a GOP member of the House Ways and Means Committee, also claims that 87 million Americans will be forced out of coverage -- but the supporting link to the Federal Register doesn't work. I started off with an "unsure" vote, but after researching this fully via the regulations supplied by Gerald, I conclude that it is false. -
Michael Bugeja
FalseSeveral things wrong with this "quote." First, it is a "direct quotation," meaning every word must be fact-checked from a reliable source. The best source for this is Hatch himself at http://hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=38314002-1b78-be3e-e063-4315f031fee1&Month=6&Year=2010. Here is the exact quote: "As a direct result of these new rules, 87 million Americans – or 51 percent of those with employer-provided health care – will be forced out of their current coverage, with small businesses being the most adversely impacted." The quotation on the NewsTrust site does not include the 51 percent with employer-provided insurance (which a reporter would have to verify, of course, rather than just rely on the release). The NewsTrust site also does not include the opinion that small businesses would suffer most. This is how the NewsTrust quotation would appear as "true": "[Some] 87 million Americans ... will be forced out of their ... coverage" under new health care regulations from President Obama. The ellipses show omissions. Here is a more fact-based manner of using the quote: In a news release, Hatch asserted that a result of new health care regulations, 87 million Americans with employer-provided health care "will be forced out of their current coverage, with small businesses being the most adversely impacted." -
Bob Herrschaft
Not SureNo one can say how the bill will effect the coverage of that many people. The statement is politically inspired. I read recently that the cost saving aspect of the bill won't go into effect until 2015 and its intended to trim overcharging of medicare by unscrupulous doctors/hospitals. -
Lynn Caporale
FalseWe could just as easily say that 87 million Americans would be forced out of their current insurance WITHOUT the new law. Hatch seems to think that nothing will change if the law is not passed. But the story of the past couple of decades has been exploding premiums, increasing co-pays, and many employers dropping coverage entirely. SO: the only valid comparison is between what would happen without the law, and what will happen with the law, NOT what will happen with the law vs. what is the situation today. -
Margaret McGowan
FalseCBO which is the non-partisan sources, suggests 10 million may lose employer coverage. Hatch's news release provides no source for the study but cites a study that suggests fewer people may lose their employer plans. -
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Myra Mendible
FalseThis is rhetorical sleight-of-hand. Millions may opt for better or other kinds of coverage that will become available, but this is not the same thing as to imply that they will be "forced" out of their coverage. -
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Samuel W. Velsor IV
FalseWhat I fear the most is the rape that will take place before the law's full effect in 2014 -
Patrick McGuire
FalseThis a preposterous statement and it is oly made for political gain. When such as this are said the speaker better do an explanation, otherwise, it will be considered disingenuous. Many will lose their present coverage only to receive better coverage for less money. -
Warrior Wheatman
FalseIf this were true, then fix it, include them. We've been stuck with this for decades. -
Gerald Zuckier
False1) Hatch nowhere provides a source for this number. 2) Tip of the hat to Steve Myers below, who found the reference on the website of "Committee On Ways & Means Republicans Ranking Member, Dave Camp". http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=190431 3) I managed to track down Camp's reference that "Buried deep within the new regulations that will govern employer-provided health coverage is the startling estimate that by 2013, under the most likely scenario, 87 million Americans (1 out of 2 Americans with employer coverage) will no longer be able to retain the health plan they have and like.", which has migrated to http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2010-06-17/pdf/2010-14488.pdf. The discussion of the "Estimates of Number of Plans and Employees Affected" by having their current health plan NOT grandfathered in begins on page 34550 and continues through page 34554. With the appropriate number of caveats for this blue-sky guesstimate, they end up with an mid-range estimate of 51% of all employer plans, alright (low-end estimate 39%, high-end 69%). (Table 3) 4) When broken down into large and small employers, however, the numbers are 66% of small employers, and only 45% of large employers. Those with more math skills than the average Republican congressman will realize that half of the employers doesn't mean half of the employees, when the half that drops their plans is the half with fewer employees than the half that keeps their plans grandfathered in. Still, given the strongly noted lack of predictive reliability of this estimate, this is a minor point. 5) The background on this, which the Republican naysayers leave out, is that currently, across the employer-sponsored health-care plan industry, about half the membership turns over in two years; a combination of voluntary turnover, employers changing coverage, and insurers killing plans in favor of new plans. So "if you are happy with your plan", you probably have about a 50% chance of being forced to change it within the next 4 years, even without new healthcare regulations. 6) In addition, there is the matter of incremental changes to existing plans, such that several years down the road, the "same plan" is the same in name only; being substantially different in coverage percent, deductible, copay, extent of coverage, etc. etc.; and almost always to the detriment of the member, the consequence of the ever-rising costs of the health-care being covered. The new regulation specifies the size of such changes before the plan no longer qualifies as the same plan, and therefore is no longer grandfathered in. -
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Shane Wealti
FalseIt's false because the report he's basing his statement on uses the word could. He switched it from could to will be forced out. Claiming that there is a possibility that something might happen is completely different than saying that it will happen. Therefore false. -
Richard McIlnay
FalseAs the Republican health plan is stop lawyer's ability to sue for malpractice, I find their criticisms spin and pathetic. As others have noted the Health bill offers alternatives to employer coverage. -
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Robin Osborne McMullen
FalseLike Mitch McConnell, anything Orrin Hatch says should automatically be assumed to be false until proven otherwise. What a reputation to have! -
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Jack Dinkmeyer
FalseNo data exist backing up this man's assertions; indeed, healthcare is intended to bring millions under health care. Looks like another "get Obama" job from right wingers. -
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Eric Yendall
FalseThe language used is loaded and absolutely no evidence is produced for the suggestion that anyone will receive inferior coverage to what they have now. -
Moises Figueroa
FalseThis is just politics and his own interpretation. Why is not him concern there was about 45 million USA citizens without insurance before the Health Care Reform? -
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Frank Whitman
FalseMILLIONS NOW HAVE INSURANCE,THAT HELPS EVERYONE,HOSPITALS,DOCTORS,ELDERLY,POOR,ALL HAVE NOW BENIFITED FROM COVERAGE -
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Marcelle Bessman
FalseIf you have health insurance and are satisfied with it, you will keep it. Insurance companies will not be able to deny you insurance because of a pre-existing condition or because you become ill. -
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Barry Parr
FalseI'm going with false here, only because there's no way to say "unproven". The stories (OK, press releases) provided in support of the proposition cite no research to support the claim, nor even the its source. I'm uncomfortable with the idea of rating claims about what will happen in the future as true or false. "Not sure" isn't the right rating either. I'm pretty certain that Hatch knows he's exaggerating the risk. -
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John J. Mahoney
Not SureI think that even people that maintain their coverage will end up finding significant changes to it, and to the doctors that they have access to at the end. -
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Arthur Roshon
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Mike Green
FalseBut what Sen. Hatch does not tell you is that those same people will receive BETTER programs than what they are surrendering, I question anything coming from the Heritage Foundation -
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JP Cohen
FalseInteresting in how there's very little truth in ANYTHING put forward by politicians and their what-passes-for-news-Fox these days... And then there are the 240 million Americans who have no or inadequate health coverage.... -
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Barb Ada Fay
FalseAfter reading Hatch's letter to POTUS, it is clear he is articulating an assumption of 87 million :" WILL be forced out of existing coverage". The fact is employer-provided health insurance ranges from minimal to moderate to reasonable, depending on variable market factors. My daughter worked for a fortune 500 company and had a devastating brain injury. The treatment and rehab costs were astronomical. Three years later, insurance benefits are smaller and employee costs are higher. Oh, yes, she was laid off after 16 years as the senior staff in her department: think "Up In The Air". On the other hand, as a service worker in the health care industry, my union benefits are VERY modest. Relying on the employer has changed BIG TIME from the KODAK womb - to - tomb days of generosity as a reward for loyalty. I am looking forward to being able to choose and purchase my own health coverage. It is an accountable option and directs my employer big or small to use those benefit dollars to enrich my salary as a reward for working on my health and thereby increasing productivity. Bottom line is Hatch has only been the beneficiary of a generous government health insurance. That tells me he is out of touch with the rank & file choices or lack there of. -
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Irene Euchler
FalseHow can anyone believe anything that a Republican states. Their whole goal is to see that Obama fails. -
Pam Bergren
FalseDon't forget folks, Discrimination laws say that an Employer cannot just cover certain levels of employees---so if they like the Group Benefits, they must keep them for ALL! So Hatch is just using the typical smoke and mirrors to try and fool the public! I don't know about you, but I am really tired of watching the obstruction. -
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James J. Pottmyer
False"Forced out" seems unwarranted hyperbole. I could believe that 87M will see some change in terms and conditions from their present policies, and some in high-priced individual insurance policies will find better bargains and opt out of their present coverage. -
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William Davis
Not SureIt doesn't really matter. Not everyone will be covered as they should be until Congress faces up to passing Improved Medicare for All. See wndavis.blogspot.com for more info. -
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Roberta Gabel
FalseSemantics--actual plans will change and perhaps disappear. Level of care available will stay close to level. Exceed current levels in some cases. -
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Bob Conner
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Josh Brown
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Tami Traiger
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Roger Morris
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Carl Bindenagel
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jconway
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Christine DuBois
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