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87 million Americans will be forced out of their coverage under new health care regulations from President Obama.
Orrin Hatch, U.S. Senator on Health insurance

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    False
    This quote wasn't easy to fact-check, for several reasons: Hatch doesn't provide a source for his figures or much of a clue as to what he's talking about. A Republican member of Congress issued similar talking points that provided an incorrect link to the federal regulations he's referring to. And while Hatch says this with certainty, the regulations only predict what could happen in the future.

    Score one for crowdsourcing, though: NewsTrust contributor Gerald Zuckier found the right set of regulations, read them and concluded that Hatch misstates what the regulations say. After reading the regulations, we agree.

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  • Jon Mitchell
    Jon Mitchell
    False
    Steve and Gerald really did the heavy lifting on this one. Since I was "not sure" before, I'm changing my vote to support their excellent verdict.
  • David Fox
    David Fox
    False
  • Fabrice Florin
  • Joey Baker
    Joey Baker
    False
    Sen. Hatch put a spin on the stat which states that 87 million Americans might have to switch healthcare plans, not that they will loose health insurance as Hatch implies.
  • Kristin Gorski
  • Kelly McBride
    Kelly McBride
    False
    A lot of small businesses may decide to stop offering health care as a benefit, because there employees can get better options out on their own.
  • Jim Lang
    Jim Lang
    Not Sure
  • Fred Gatlin
    Fred Gatlin
    False
    The incoming Governor of Kansas (a current US Senator) was opposed to the so called Obama Healthcare plan, but when asked about the details knew nothing about them. Senator Hatch apparently knows nothing about the plan either.
  • David Cohn
    David Cohn
    False
  • Steve Myers
    Steve Myers
    False
    Hatch writes in his letter that new regulations governing the treatment of existing health plans means that 87 million people will be forced out of their coverage. However, I don't know the source of this information. Hatch cites a report published by the American Action Forum that argues that employers will have an incentive to drop their health care plans. This appears to be a supplemental argument, as Hatch says in his letter that the regulations will result in the loss of coverage. This post from U.S. Rep Dave Camp, a GOP member of the House Ways and Means Committee, also claims that 87 million Americans will be forced out of coverage -- but the supporting link to the Federal Register doesn't work. I started off with an "unsure" vote, but after researching this fully via the regulations supplied by Gerald, I conclude that it is false.
  • Phyllis Florin
    Phyllis Florin
    False
  • Micah Sifry
    Micah Sifry
    False
  • Michael Bugeja
    Michael Bugeja
    False
    Several things wrong with this "quote." First, it is a "direct quotation," meaning every word must be fact-checked from a reliable source. The best source for this is Hatch himself at http://hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=38314002-1b78-be3e-e063-4315f031fee1&Month=6&Year=2010. Here is the exact quote: "As a direct result of these new rules, 87 million Americans – or 51 percent of those with employer-provided health care – will be forced out of their current coverage, with small businesses being the most adversely impacted." The quotation on the NewsTrust site does not include the 51 percent with employer-provided insurance (which a reporter would have to verify, of course, rather than just rely on the release). The NewsTrust site also does not include the opinion that small businesses would suffer most. This is how the NewsTrust quotation would appear as "true": "[Some] 87 million Americans ... will be forced out of their ... coverage" under new health care regulations from President Obama. The ellipses show omissions. Here is a more fact-based manner of using the quote: In a news release, Hatch asserted that a result of new health care regulations, 87 million Americans with employer-provided health care "will be forced out of their current coverage, with small businesses being the most adversely impacted."
  • Glenn LaBauve
    Glenn LaBauve
    False
  • Bob Herrschaft
    Bob Herrschaft
    Not Sure
    No one can say how the bill will effect the coverage of that many people. The statement is politically inspired. I read recently that the cost saving aspect of the bill won't go into effect until 2015 and its intended to trim overcharging of medicare by unscrupulous doctors/hospitals.
  • Antonia Shouse
    Antonia Shouse
    False
  • Lynn Caporale
    Lynn Caporale
    False
    We could just as easily say that 87 million Americans would be forced out of their current insurance WITHOUT the new law. Hatch seems to think that nothing will change if the law is not passed. But the story of the past couple of decades has been exploding premiums, increasing co-pays, and many employers dropping coverage entirely. SO: the only valid comparison is between what would happen without the law, and what will happen with the law, NOT what will happen with the law vs. what is the situation today.
  • Carlos R. Candelaria
    Carlos R. Candelaria
    False
  • Martha Rosler
    Martha Rosler
    False
  • Douglas Hord
    Douglas Hord
    False
  • J. B. Van Wely
    J. B. Van Wely
    False
  • David B. Brooks
    David B. Brooks
    False
  • Margaret McGowan
    Margaret McGowan
    False
    CBO which is the non-partisan sources, suggests 10 million may lose employer coverage. Hatch's news release provides no source for the study but cites a study that suggests fewer people may lose their employer plans.
  • Randi Slaughter
    Randi Slaughter
    False
  • Jerry Best
    Jerry Best
    False
  • Mark Pettit
    Mark Pettit
    False
  • Tony Russomanno
    Tony Russomanno
    False
  • Irene Radke
    Irene Radke
    False
  • Suzanne Melton
    Suzanne Melton
    False
  • Steve Souza
    Steve Souza
    False
  • Peter Maresca
    Peter Maresca
    Not Sure
  • Ron Claridge
    Ron Claridge
    False
  • Karen Nelson
    Karen Nelson
    False
  • Jeff Bernstein
    Jeff Bernstein
    False
  • Myra Mendible
    Myra Mendible
    False
    This is rhetorical sleight-of-hand. Millions may opt for better or other kinds of coverage that will become available, but this is not the same thing as to imply that they will be "forced" out of their coverage.
  • Helen Pinto
    Helen Pinto
    False
  • Carla C Kerr
    Carla C Kerr
    False
  • Doug Greer
    Doug Greer
    False
  • Samuel W.  Velsor IV
    Samuel W. Velsor IV
    False
    What I fear the most is the rape that will take place before the law's full effect in 2014
  • Melva Hackney
    Melva Hackney
    False
  • Priscilla L. Davis
    Priscilla L. Davis
    False
  • Patrick McGuire
    Patrick McGuire
    False
    This a preposterous statement and it is oly made for political gain. When such as this are said the speaker better do an explanation, otherwise, it will be considered disingenuous. Many will lose their present coverage only to receive better coverage for less money.
  • Warrior Wheatman
    Warrior Wheatman
    False
    If this were true, then fix it, include them. We've been stuck with this for decades.
  • Paul Belle-Isle
    Paul Belle-Isle
    False
  • Gerald Zuckier
    Gerald Zuckier
    False
    1) Hatch nowhere provides a source for this number. 2) Tip of the hat to Steve Myers below, who found the reference on the website of "Committee On Ways & Means Republicans Ranking Member, Dave Camp". http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=190431 3) I managed to track down Camp's reference that "Buried deep within the new regulations that will govern employer-provided health coverage is the startling estimate that by 2013, under the most likely scenario, 87 million Americans (1 out of 2 Americans with employer coverage) will no longer be able to retain the health plan they have and like.", which has migrated to http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2010-06-17/pdf/2010-14488.pdf. The discussion of the "Estimates of Number of Plans and Employees Affected" by having their current health plan NOT grandfathered in begins on page 34550 and continues through page 34554. With the appropriate number of caveats for this blue-sky guesstimate, they end up with an mid-range estimate of 51% of all employer plans, alright (low-end estimate 39%, high-end 69%). (Table 3) 4) When broken down into large and small employers, however, the numbers are 66% of small employers, and only 45% of large employers. Those with more math skills than the average Republican congressman will realize that half of the employers doesn't mean half of the employees, when the half that drops their plans is the half with fewer employees than the half that keeps their plans grandfathered in. Still, given the strongly noted lack of predictive reliability of this estimate, this is a minor point. 5) The background on this, which the Republican naysayers leave out, is that currently, across the employer-sponsored health-care plan industry, about half the membership turns over in two years; a combination of voluntary turnover, employers changing coverage, and insurers killing plans in favor of new plans. So "if you are happy with your plan", you probably have about a 50% chance of being forced to change it within the next 4 years, even without new healthcare regulations. 6) In addition, there is the matter of incremental changes to existing plans, such that several years down the road, the "same plan" is the same in name only; being substantially different in coverage percent, deductible, copay, extent of coverage, etc. etc.; and almost always to the detriment of the member, the consequence of the ever-rising costs of the health-care being covered. The new regulation specifies the size of such changes before the plan no longer qualifies as the same plan, and therefore is no longer grandfathered in.
  • Elizabeth Reynolds
    Elizabeth Reynolds
    False
    ...just more insidious, Republican fear tactics...not based on facts...
  • Shane Wealti
    Shane Wealti
    False
    It's false because the report he's basing his statement on uses the word could. He switched it from could to will be forced out. Claiming that there is a possibility that something might happen is completely different than saying that it will happen. Therefore false.
  • Richard McIlnay
    Richard McIlnay
    False
    As the Republican health plan is stop lawyer's ability to sue for malpractice, I find their criticisms spin and pathetic. As others have noted the Health bill offers alternatives to employer coverage.
  • Allena Hansen
    Allena Hansen
    Not Sure
  • Robin Osborne McMullen
    Robin Osborne McMullen
    False
    Like Mitch McConnell, anything Orrin Hatch says should automatically be assumed to be false until proven otherwise. What a reputation to have!
  • Margaret Yonco-Haines
    Margaret Yonco-Haines
    False
  • Barbara K. Iverson
    Barbara K. Iverson
    False
  • Nancy S. Lovejoy
    Nancy S. Lovejoy
    False
  • Christina Baker
    Christina Baker
    False
  • H Stillson
    H Stillson
    False
  • Dyann Putman
    Dyann Putman
    False
  • Jack Dinkmeyer
    Jack Dinkmeyer
    False
    No data exist backing up this man's assertions; indeed, healthcare is intended to bring millions under health care. Looks like another "get Obama" job from right wingers.
  • Preston Watts
    Preston Watts
    False
  • Eric Yendall
    Eric Yendall
    False
    The language used is loaded and absolutely no evidence is produced for the suggestion that anyone will receive inferior coverage to what they have now.
  • Moises Figueroa
    Moises Figueroa
    False
    This is just politics and his own interpretation. Why is not him concern there was about 45 million USA citizens without insurance before the Health Care Reform?
  • Bill Hosmon
    Bill Hosmon
    False
  • Frank Whitman
    Frank Whitman
    False
    MILLIONS NOW HAVE INSURANCE,THAT HELPS EVERYONE,HOSPITALS,DOCTORS,ELDERLY,POOR,ALL HAVE NOW BENIFITED FROM COVERAGE
  • George Horen
    George Horen
    True
  • Liz Scott
    Liz Scott
    False
  • Susan Kupferberg
    Susan Kupferberg
    False
    No data to support this claim--pure speculation and fear mongering.
  • Jeff Harris
    Jeff Harris
    False
  • Monty Lambie
    Monty Lambie
    False
  • Ward Stewart
    Ward Stewart
    False
  • J H Bud Paulson
    J H Bud Paulson
    True
  • De- Brown
    De- Brown
    False
  • Terrance Hodgins
    Terrance Hodgins
    False
    Just politics as usual. Why is it that politics equals lying?
  • Colleen E Bushey
    Colleen E Bushey
    False
  • Lauren Schwartz
    Lauren Schwartz
    False
  • William Nisen
    William Nisen
    False
  • Al Harris
    Al Harris
    False
  • Paul Ethier
    Paul Ethier
    False
  • Jan R.
    Jan R.
    True
  • Christian Bertolaccini
    Christian Bertolaccini
    False
  • Marcelle Bessman
    Marcelle Bessman
    False
    If you have health insurance and are satisfied with it, you will keep it. Insurance companies will not be able to deny you insurance because of a pre-existing condition or because you become ill.
  • Jim Feig
    Jim Feig
    False
  • Chris Strosser
    Chris Strosser
    False
  • Michael W. Sachs
    Michael W. Sachs
    False
  • Angel M. Ocasio
    Angel M. Ocasio
    False
  • RW Ziegler
    RW Ziegler
    False
  • Michael Kusuplos
    Michael Kusuplos
    False
    more of the same scare tacticals from Mr. No and company!
  • madelane coale
    madelane coale
    False
  • Donald James
    Donald James
    False
  • Barry Parr
    Barry Parr
    False
    I'm going with false here, only because there's no way to say "unproven". The stories (OK, press releases) provided in support of the proposition cite no research to support the claim, nor even the its source. I'm uncomfortable with the idea of rating claims about what will happen in the future as true or false. "Not sure" isn't the right rating either. I'm pretty certain that Hatch knows he's exaggerating the risk.
  • lawrence pearlman
    lawrence pearlman
    False
  • Robin Johnson-Perkins
    Robin Johnson-Perkins
    False
    Simply not true
  • Stephen E Hughes
    Stephen E Hughes
    Not Sure
  • Kate Zeiss
    Kate Zeiss
    False
  • Fred B Chase
    Fred B Chase
    False
  • John J. Mahoney
    John J. Mahoney
    Not Sure
    I think that even people that maintain their coverage will end up finding significant changes to it, and to the doctors that they have access to at the end.
  • Randall Nash
    Randall Nash
    False
  • Kevin Holton
    Kevin Holton
    False
  • Carmen G Pastor
    Carmen G Pastor
    Not Sure
  • shirley wershba
    shirley wershba
    False
  • Ra Rao
    Ra Rao
    True
  • LOU
    LOU
    False
  • judith martin
    judith martin
    False
  • Rosie Racine
    Rosie Racine
    False
  • Catherine Ramirez-Lopatynnski
  • Arthur Roshon
    Arthur Roshon
    True
  • Marjorie P. Dugan
    Marjorie P. Dugan
    False
  • Mike Green
    Mike Green
    False
    But what Sen. Hatch does not tell you is that those same people will receive BETTER programs than what they are surrendering, I question anything coming from the Heritage Foundation
  • The Thomas
    The Thomas
    False
    1/4 of U.S. citizens I assume he means.
  • Kim Young
    Kim Young
    False
  • Jane Peirce Wood
    Jane Peirce Wood
    False
  • Mark Walker
    Mark Walker
    False
    More fear mongering....
  • Virginia Bruce
    Virginia Bruce
    False
  • JP Cohen
    JP Cohen
    False
    Interesting in how there's very little truth in ANYTHING put forward by politicians and their what-passes-for-news-Fox these days... And then there are the 240 million Americans who have no or inadequate health coverage....
  • Robert Hathaway
    Robert Hathaway
    False
  • Daniel Hopkins
    Daniel Hopkins
    Not Sure
  • Paul Barkowitz
    Paul Barkowitz
    False
  • Jess Henryes
    Jess Henryes
    False
  • Wil Limoges
    Wil Limoges
    False
    There is no evidence to support this statement.
  • Lisa Frederick Rabine
    Lisa Frederick Rabine
    False
  • Stacy Morrison
    Stacy Morrison
    False
  • Sally Dunford
    Sally Dunford
    False
  • Philip Spencer
    Philip Spencer
    False
    Hatch is full of hot air.
  • SPENCER ADAMS
    SPENCER ADAMS
    False
  • Laer Haider
    Laer Haider
    False
  • Narcissa Haskins
    Narcissa Haskins
    False
  • Dominque
    Dominque
    False
  • Barb Ada Fay
    Barb Ada Fay
    False
    After reading Hatch's letter to POTUS, it is clear he is articulating an assumption of 87 million :" WILL be forced out of existing coverage". The fact is employer-provided health insurance ranges from minimal to moderate to reasonable, depending on variable market factors. My daughter worked for a fortune 500 company and had a devastating brain injury. The treatment and rehab costs were astronomical. Three years later, insurance benefits are smaller and employee costs are higher. Oh, yes, she was laid off after 16 years as the senior staff in her department: think "Up In The Air". On the other hand, as a service worker in the health care industry, my union benefits are VERY modest. Relying on the employer has changed BIG TIME from the KODAK womb - to - tomb days of generosity as a reward for loyalty. I am looking forward to being able to choose and purchase my own health coverage. It is an accountable option and directs my employer big or small to use those benefit dollars to enrich my salary as a reward for working on my health and thereby increasing productivity. Bottom line is Hatch has only been the beneficiary of a generous government health insurance. That tells me he is out of touch with the rank & file choices or lack there of.
  • Joey Cline
    Joey Cline
    False
  • Gary North
    Gary North
    Not Sure
  • Adeyemo Sodipo
    Adeyemo Sodipo
    True
  • Allan Edwards
    Allan Edwards
    False
  • Pat Lasher
    Pat Lasher
    False
  • Justin Genelli
    Justin Genelli
    False
  • Irene Euchler
    Irene Euchler
    False
    How can anyone believe anything that a Republican states. Their whole goal is to see that Obama fails.
  • Pam Bergren
    Pam Bergren
    False
    Don't forget folks, Discrimination laws say that an Employer cannot just cover certain levels of employees---so if they like the Group Benefits, they must keep them for ALL! So Hatch is just using the typical smoke and mirrors to try and fool the public! I don't know about you, but I am really tired of watching the obstruction.
  • Jerome Freehill
    Jerome Freehill
    False
  • Jose Luis Hernandez
    Jose Luis Hernandez
    False
  • Felice Bachrach
    Felice Bachrach
    False
  • James J. Pottmyer
    James J. Pottmyer
    False
    "Forced out" seems unwarranted hyperbole. I could believe that 87M will see some change in terms and conditions from their present policies, and some in high-priced individual insurance policies will find better bargains and opt out of their present coverage.
  • Andrew P. Robinson
    Andrew P. Robinson
    False
  • Norma Armon
    Norma Armon
    False
  • Stuart Blumner
    Stuart Blumner
    False
  • Nancy Woolley
    Nancy Woolley
    False
  • Dorothy L Preston
    Dorothy L Preston
    False
  • don russell
    don russell
    False
  • Dan Squillace
    Dan Squillace
    False
  • Michael Scurek
    Michael Scurek
    False
  • Jo Hallmark
    Jo Hallmark
    False
  • William Davis
    William Davis
    Not Sure
    It doesn't really matter. Not everyone will be covered as they should be until Congress faces up to passing Improved Medicare for All. See wndavis.blogspot.com for more info.
  • Cynthia Motley
    Cynthia Motley
    Not Sure
  • Phyllis J. Kirk
    Phyllis J. Kirk
    False
  • Gary Smith
    Gary Smith
    False
  • Kate Rose
    Kate Rose
    False
  • Roberta Gabel
    Roberta Gabel
    False
    Semantics--actual plans will change and perhaps disappear. Level of care available will stay close to level. Exceed current levels in some cases.
  • Norman Buchanan
    Norman Buchanan
    False
  • Lynn Griffin
    Lynn Griffin
    True
  • Craig Ellerbrock
    Craig Ellerbrock
    False
  • Scott Ross
    Scott Ross
    False
  • barbara riman
    barbara riman
    False
  • Nancy Tessman
    Nancy Tessman
    False
  • Helen J. Wa;;ace
    Helen J. Wa;;ace
    False
  • Bob Conner
    Bob Conner
    False
  • Josh Brown
    Josh Brown
    True
  • John Graney
    John Graney
    False
  • Aggie
    Aggie
    Not Sure
  • Maura Stephens
    Maura Stephens
    False
  • JoshC
    JoshC
    False
  • Tami Traiger
    Tami Traiger
    False
  • Annie Vickery
    Annie Vickery
    False
  • Roger Morris
    Roger Morris
    True
  • Mary e Gullickson
    Mary e Gullickson
    True
  • Steve Everhard
    Steve Everhard
    False
  • Katharine Myers
    Katharine Myers
    False
  • Carl Bindenagel
    Carl Bindenagel
    False
  • leca
    leca
    Not Sure
  • jconway
    jconway
    False
  • Miriam Kavanagh
    Miriam Kavanagh
    False
  • Robert Dombrowski
    Robert Dombrowski
    False
  • Christine DuBois
    Christine DuBois
    False
  • Roger W. English
    Roger W. English
    False

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