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Fox News "never criticized George W. Bush for anything."
Rachel Maddow, MSNBC on bias in media
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FalseOn November 11th, 2010, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow interviewed Comedy Central's Jon Stewart. They discussed the state of cable news, focusing heavily on the Fox News Channel, MSNBC's rival and the frequent subject of Stewart's satire and criticism. The interview was an open conversation, with both Maddow and Stewart offering personal views. At one point, Maddow leveled this criticism at her network's chief competitor:[Fox News] never criticized George W. Bush for anything, even when he was doing things that were sort of not conservative. They never criticized him.
We find this claim to be false. It demonstrates the stridence, bombast, and essentialism that characterizes cable news today, ironically the subject of Maddow and Stewart's conversation. With this claim, Maddow expresses the sentiment that Fox News is a biased organization, a defensible sentiment, but she does so at the expense of the facts. In an effort to call out cable news personalities and implore them to change their tone, we are calling this statement false, and the majority of Truthsquad participants agree.
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Derek Hawkins
FalseWhile Fox's praise and defense Bush administration policy was by and large unflagging, to say that the network never criticized the former president is ridiculous. Fox had its share of resident "liberals" to maintain the illusion of balance in its programming, and I remember conservative anchors taking issue with a range of the administration's apparent flaws, among them the failure to prosecute war more aggressively. They might not have been the criticisms Maddow wanted, but they were there. She could have used her platform on MSNBC to make a more intelligent point: that any criticism Fox laid on the Bush administration was outweighed by the network's cheerleading for Bush's domestic and international agendas. -
Fabrice Florin
FalseThat's quite a bold statement. Both Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann at MSNBC have made the same exaggerated claim about Fox News. But the factual evidence we have collected so far doesn't support this assertion. I don't mean to condone opinion news coverage on Fox News, which is often flawed and favors conservative viewpoints, but this claim strikes me as clearly false, based on the evidence at hand. -
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Gin Ferrara
FalseNever is a word that should not be used without serious documentation, just like "Always." -
Subramanya Sastry
FalseThis got to be false. Even an outlet like Fox News has to maintain some appearance of not being completely biased, and I would be really surprised if this quote turned out to be true. -
Barry Grossheim
Not SureI was very inclined to say True but honestly can't. Fox may have criticized something Bush did in his eight years. But the fact that I can't think of any says volumes. -
Fred Gatlin
TrueSince the available answers are true or false or not sure. I must say this is closer to true by far than false. This kind of question is shades of grey -
Linda Brayton
FalseWhen I heard her say this on her show, I didn't take her literally, but it did occur to me that some would and that this could and would be turned into a "gotcha." Wish she'd said "just about never" instead. In any case, FOX is far from unbiased, and this was pretty obviously the point she was making. -
Todd Cass
FalseOn the face of it the statement is false, and we only need one of those 18 or more counter examples to prove it. That said, Maddow was in an uncut, unscripted conversation with Jon Stewart, facing 90 degrees from the camera, making a point about the partisan nature of Fox News, and perhaps engaging in some rhetorical exaggeration to illustrate her point in a volley to Stewart. So perhaps though an interesting exercise, this isn't the best target of analysis. -
Mike Carlson
FalseThis is too broad a statement to be true; especially with the pet goat, Katrina, and Failure to sell off Social Security fiascos. -
Lynn Caporale
FalseOf course it is false as stated above but it is a silly exercise. Certainly fact checkers will find at least one case of someone at some time on Fox saying something critical of Bush. But that clearly is not the point. By saying "Fox News" my guess is that Maddow meant the Fox organization. This requires us to take a step beyond regular individual fact checking because she is implying that the organization itself has a point of view that is reflected in what happens on air. SO, when seen from that perspective, I believe the quote actually is true. In other words, can anyone find a sustained Fox-News type campaign (as is described e.g. in OutFoxed) against Bush. If you compare the sustained $200 million/day trip to India echo chamber, for example, on the one hand, a more informative exercise would be whether you can you find a comparable several days of anti-Bush talking points. Say, when we failed to find WMDs? When a secret agent involved in anti-nuclear proliferation intelligence was outed by the White House? This would be a more useful fact checking exercise: compare the amount of air time spent on "death panels" or "$200 million/day trip" and see if we can find a comparable blanket stretch of anti-Bush coverage. -
Charles Aylworth
TrueAn over-generalization to be sure, but looking at the big picture, more true than false. -
Michael Shaver
FalseAny time you talk in absolutes you are opening yourself up to a world of hurt. What I think will be more interesting is how she handles the reactions from the quote. -
Melva Hackney
TrueTrue, if you don't count their "poo-pooing' and making up excuses for his stupidity and illegal acts. -
Priscilla L. Davis
FalseRachel's statement was false. But her intent when making it was to show contrast between the two networks. The fact that MSNBC brings is more balanced than Fox News. -
Robin Osborne McMullen
FalseWhen I see words like "always" and "never" I am much less likely to believe the assertion. -
Roland F. Hirsch
FalseFox News reporters and opinion analysts criticized President Bush almost every day of his administration, and members of his cabinet were criticized many times daily on Fox News. -
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Jeff Harris
FalseThis probably technically false. I am sure FOX NEWS slipped up once and while and said something that could have been construed as negative about George Bush.And Hands were slapped.It is TRUE in spirit They don't report the news anyway,they just make it up. It is not opinionated news its propaganda. Just like the Soviets. It should be FOX THE NEWS THAT RUPERT MURDOCH WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE. -
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George K McHugh Sr
TrueFox News is not a legitimate journalistic enterprise. Their main shows are exrremely biased. Beck and O'Reilly are not journalists they are perfromers who will say anything without checking the facts. The 200 mikkion a day cost of our Presidents trip to Asia is a good example of their lack of truthfulness. -
Deb Duncan
FalseThey were definitely critical of Bush when he became a liability for the Republicans, and they were all distancing themselves from him. And? She should know better than to say "never." -
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William Lovsmith
TrueI find 90% of 'Fox News', a despicable & extremely closed-minded, notoriously negatively & hazardly manipulative, not-very-nice news organization, that quite apparentlyn does not have much in regards to anything but their own pockets & to hell with the rest of the world. A mindset, that's been perpetuated decades ago, through greed, & power-hungry empires of sick & sour attitudes of sadness. -
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Herb Gart
FalseShe is generally right, but there are exceptions. I am objecting to the word "never" -
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karl mcculley
Falsei personally have heard criticismn -
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Tom McMurray
FalseWhenever we use words such as "never" or "always" or everybody," somebody needs to check us..... -
Tavison
TrueSince this is an interview and the quote is used in conversation, it cannot be held to the same standard as using the quote as a news item. If I say that guy was "flying" down the highway, meaning driving really fast, we wouldn't say I was lying because he did not have a plane. Speaking in absolutes is a problem everyone has. (I couldn't resist) -
Jim Coons
False"Never" and "not for anything" can't possibly be perfectly, categorically true. Certainly, Fox was kinder to Bush than anyone else, but even being relatively friendly, they can't possibly have ignored the absence of WMDs in Iraq, just for one. In that case, simply reporting anything approaching the truth constitutes an implicit criticism of the administration's claims. -
Harvey Elwood Jr
Not SureI admire Rachel Maddow for her work and journalism, however I’m just not completely sure about the facts of this statement. But I really would like to get the information regarding the truth of the matter. -
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Ron Denton
FalseThis is a silly debate. Yes, Fox leans strongly right and MSNBC leans strongly left. These are both entertainment networks that sometimes broadcast news, but spend much more of their airtime on opinion and "what if." The problem is that those on the left think MSNBC is neutral and those on the right think Fox is neutral. -
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Jacques Fortier
TrueI do not trust any reporting from Fox nor CNN since they are politically motivated in their reports and news bulletins. -
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Patty Michaels
False"Almost never" would have been true. But, as stated out of context, it's false. -
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Jan Wilson
TrueMaddow spends a lot of effort checking her sources. If you understand "never" to mean "virtually never" then I think this is true. -
C. Green
Not SureI'm not sure that's the point. These cable "news" people are feeding off each other, and our unexamined emotions. Not defining terms, not speaking in specifics, declaring absolutes,and all the rest, allows these corporate partisans to whip up a fuzzy thinking, non-specific, but satisfying rage against whoever they choose. That anger sells. -
Micah Oliver
FalseIs it false. Yes. Is Fox News's bias well documented? Yes. In the context of the interview Stewart states: "But Fox News is not partisan. They're really not." Rachel's comment above follows. Based on NewsTrust's own evaluation, Stewart is false. Point, counter point. Which point gets us closer to the truth? I think we also need to distinguish between reporting facts and creative license or stated opinion. How we can do that consistently and effectively, considering how creative humans can be, will be a challenge. -
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gil goldstein
TrueEverything that comes out of Fox is only intended to hurt Obama in the 2012 election. I mean everything. -
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Walter Broadnax
TrueFaux noise opinion channel has never mounted a sustained attack on any republican, teapartier, or neocon. In context, Rachel is absolutely correect. If you want to nitpick, I'm sure some of the blond bimbos on Faux criticized Bush's tie or suit color; so in that sense there was probably some criticism of Bush. -
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Alexis Rachel
FalseAnytime absolutes are used, there is a 99% (or greater) chance that its not true. -
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mty
Falseas i used to tell my kids all the time when they used absolutes in their statements: "always and never are not reality." -
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JoshC
FalseTaking Rachel's statement out of context in this case discredits the poll. There have been times that Fox newscasters have "criticized" Bush (he should have done this instead of that), but never (yes I am using the "n" word!) in a context of looking for truth and balance. Fox News(sic) made (and makes) its reputation on being the Republican flag bearer. Rachel's comment--in context--is dead on and was used to make a much broader point of ideology and point of view, versus partisanship. -
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Samuel Ebersole
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April Zem
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Betsy Gunter
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Brenna
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sydney
Falsetoo absolute. -
jv
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tjwanne
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Patrick Tyrrell
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Donald Moore
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bobbullets
False
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