Truthsquad on Terrorism
Al Qaeda kills more Muslims than any other foreign imperial power in the world.
Irshad Manji, NYU scholar on the impact of Islamic terrorism
Source: This Week
Editor Findings
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Half TrueBased on the evidence we've examined so far, we find Irshad Manji's statement to be "Half True," In a panel discussion hosted by Christiane Amanpour on ABC's This Week, she claimed that "al-Qaeda kills more Muslims than any other foreign imperial power in the world." However, we could not find any conclusive evidence to support or refute this claim. Though it is stated as a matter of fact, this claim is subject to a variety of interpretations, and none of the sources we checked can confirm Manji's assertion.
We asked Manji for clarification, because it appeared her statement could be interpreted in two different ways. Consider the quote when it follows from her preceding statement:"The highest number of victims that al-Qaeda has are Muslims. In other words, al-Qaeda kills more Muslims than any other foreign imperial power in the world." (emphasis added)
We considered the possibility that Manji meant to say that "al-Qaeda kills more Muslims than [it kills citizens of] any other foreign imperial power in the world." When asked for clarification, though, Manji confirmed: "I meant more Muslims are killed by al-Qaeda than by any foreign imperial power." When we asked for factual evidence to support that claim, she provided a link to the "Deadly Vanguards" study from the Combating Terrorism Center, as well as her own 2009 blog post summarizing the study. Both of these sources support the claim that "The highest number of victims that al-Qaeda has are Muslims," but they do not shed any light on whether "al-Qaeda kills more Muslims than any other foreign imperial power in the world."
Many of our Truthsquad participants wrestled with the ambiguity of Manji's claim. Lynn Caporale pointed out that the statement could be interpreted to be true if it concerned only Muslim civilians targeted intentionally, but not if it addressed all Muslims, including organized combatants. Christoph Wienands also pointed out that Manji "does not distinguish between civilian and militant/terrorist casualties," so presumably the number of Muslims killed by U.S.-led forces should include organized combatants, not just civilians. Many Truthsquad participants thought it was unlikely that al-Qaeda could have killed more Muslims than U.S.-led forces have over time.
However, Manji's statement was made in the present tense, so her statement could be interpreted as applying to current events, rather than the histories of the ongoing conflicts. As pointed out in the latest Iraq Body Count study, non-state terrorist actions killed nearly 50 times more Iraqi civilians than coalition forces did in 2009, which suggests that Manji's statement is plausible. This statistic does not distinguish between al-Qaeda actions and those of other terrorist organizations, though, nor does it teach us anything about the facts outside of Iraq, so it can't be seen as convincing evidence for Manji's claim.
Overall, Manji's main point is that al-Qaeda kills a lot of Muslims, and this strikes us as a reasonable statement. However, she appears to have overreached in her claim that al-Qaeda kills more Muslims than any state actor does. For this reason, we find her statement to be half true.
-- Jon Mitchell, on behalf of NewsTrust Editors
P.S.: Do you agree with our findings? Tell us what you think in our comments section. We had a lively discussion on this topic, so be sure to read what other participants thought of this quote before adding your comment.
Community Findings
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Jon Mitchell
Not SureProf. Manji has clarified to me that she did, in fact, mean that Al Qaeda kills more Muslims than any foreign imperial power does. I couldn't believe it at first, but I've reconsidered. She's speaking in the present tense, so if we interpret her statement to mean that this is true right now, I think it's true. Iraq sees more terrorism than any other state in the world, so if that's a representative example, terrorist attacks dwarf the number of casualties due to U.S.-led forces last year, according to Iraq Body Count. That figure doesn't distinguish al Qaeda from other organizations, but looking at their legacy in Iraq, we can assume they're responsible for a substantial portion. Still, not all Muslims are civilians, and we'd have to account for all the Muslims, even combatants, killed in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not sure yet. -
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Fabrice Florin
Not SureBased on the evidence we found to date, it appears that this statement is only half-true. Though it is possible that Al Qaeda kills more Muslims than other foreign powers, we couldn't find conclusive factual documentation to support that assertion, even after we asked its author. She appears to be correct in her preceding statement that Al Qaeda kills more Muslims than non-Muslims, though. And the whole subject is very murky, subject to interpretation, with little definitive factual evidence. Overall, I tend to agree with the author's main point that Al Qaeda kills a lot of Muslims, and for that reason recommend a verdict of "Half True". Thanks to everyone who participated in this investigation. What a wonderful way to learn together about important topics -- and practice our research skills as a community! -
Kristin Gorski
Not SureI'm not sure about this, as I think there is a universal lack of clarity in defining what Al Qaeda is. The group seems to vary widely from country to country. Some news reports state that it has a clearly defined hierarchy in its leadership, others state that it springs up spontaneously without much planning. I'm very interested to read the verdict and the supporting evidence. -
Lynn Caporale
Not SureIt depends upon the precise meaning. I am guessing she means something along the lines of: Al Qaeda purposely places bombs at spots where there is no doubt that Muslim civilians will be killed. The number of civilians killed in these attacks is larger than the number of civilians intentionally killed by any other foreign imperial power; in that case it sounds true to me. But it does not seem true with a different interpretation. For example, if you add up the number of Iraqi citizens killed as a consequence of the Bush/Cheney invasion, however indirectly, that is a very large number (and includes-and so is larger than-- many directly killed by Al Qaeda). -
Patrick McGuire
FalseIt is a misleading statement. Even in the US we kill more of our own citizens that any foreign power. It is not a helpful statement. -
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Jeff Harris
TrueEspecially if we are talking in the present tense. And then too the attack on the World Trade Center released a terrible retribution that they must take responsibility for. [Not Iraq, Bush and Chaney own that.] -
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Lon Diffenderfer
FalseIf we are using only the "Iraq Body Count" study numbers from 2009, I think the argument becomes ridiculous. Is it more important that Al Qaeda killed more Muslims than "imperial forces" in 2009? Or, is it more important that these "imperial forces" have killed multiples more Muslims since Al Qaeda made itself known somewhere around 1988? -
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Danielle Christenson
TrueAs I looked for evidence to whether this quote was true or false, Irshad Manji did in fact say the quote and it was not taken out of context. Although, no sources are found to back up the statement. The oppose this statement say Iraq civilian body count is as low as it was in 2003. So, I agree with all of the other people who have posted on this truthsquad, the statement made is only "half true". -
Tim Waters
FalseOf course this is false, What about Russia, in Afghanistan. Or you can say Foreign interest that would include the USA. -
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Roger Westmoreland
FalseAl Qaeda may have gained strength or even been created by US publicity of a previously unknown organisation. It is now a truly Orwellian structure that the US rollsout every few months to keep the western world in a state of suspicion, confusion and plain stupidity - Just as with Emmanual Goldstein in '1984' so with Osama Bin Ladan and Al Qaeda now - ratchet up the propaganda to justify perpetual war. The US kills more Muslims, Christians etc. than any other organisation on Earth. -
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Buck Little
FalseI do not think that all in all Al Qaeda has killed more Muslims than the US and allies have in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. I have not tried to verify this. If you take the statement to mean "kills" in the present tense meaning right now today and not in the last 10 years then, sure, probably this is true. -
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Michael E. Russell
FalseThe USA is responsible for an estimated 1,200,000 deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other countries, most of which are Muslims. -
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george collins
FalseThe available reports, credibility aside, suggest that the Taliban may kill more Muslims than US/NATO. The Taliban is not a foreign imperial force. al Qaeda may technically be a foreign imperial force, though there's scant evidence as to the make up of the 50 - 100 al Qaeda said to be in Afghanistan. Conclusion: False. US/NATO kills more Muslims, if we assume that most of those civilians killed are Muslims. -
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Ashley Weekes
Not SureAfter research and reading other comments on this statement, I'm not completely sure as to whether this quote is true. Prof. Manji's quote may have been taken out of context, but there is no textual evidence proving her claim. There is evidence to prove that the highest number of victims al - queda has are Muslims, but there is no evidence to compare al - quedas killing of to any other imperial power in the world. -
Carlo Caraluzzo
FalseAl Qaeda has been in existance since the Republican Party created it in the 1980´s. Western governments have been killing Muslims for nearly 1000 years. If Al Queda had killed all those people in 25 years the bodies would be stacked a couple of miles high. It is this type of attitude that has brought nothing but war to humankind since Constantine legalized Christianity. Those three religions have brought nothing but a wash of blood, horror and destruction. -
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Lisa Rivers
TrueThis seems to be supported by a report from the US Military Academy. Doesn't seem like this would be something that particular organization would be inclined to report if it were not substantiated, more likely they would lean the other way. -
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Aminah Carroll
FalseVery interesting and thought provoking comment...operational definitions are key--what do we mean by "imperial power"? and are we oincluding an accurate count of civilians in Iraqi "war" ie failed American colonization attempt, for example -
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genie L
FalseI'm sure the war mongers would LOVE for us to buy that! Most of the "terrorist" incidents are false flags to begin with. "when the fox starts preaching look to your hens." Beware of boogeymen and scapegoats, our own government is at work. -
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Michelle Jacobcik
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Samuel Ebersole
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Deadly Vanguards: A Study of al‐Qa’ida’s Violence Against Muslims
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