Truthsquad on Terrorism
Al Qaeda kills more Muslims than any other foreign imperial power in the world.
Irshad Manji, NYU scholar on the impact of Islamic terrorism
Source: This Week

Editor Findings

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    Half True
    Based on the evidence we've examined so far, we find Irshad Manji's statement to be "Half True," In a panel discussion hosted by Christiane Amanpour on ABC's This Week, she claimed that "al-Qaeda kills more Muslims than any other foreign imperial power in the world." However, we could not find any conclusive evidence to support or refute this claim. Though it is stated as a matter of fact, this claim is subject to a variety of interpretations, and none of the sources we checked can confirm Manji's assertion.

    We asked Manji for clarification, because it appeared her statement could be interpreted in two different ways. Consider the quote when it follows from her preceding statement:
    "The highest number of victims that al-Qaeda has are Muslims. In other words, al-Qaeda kills more Muslims than any other foreign imperial power in the world." (emphasis added)
    We considered the possibility that Manji meant to say that "al-Qaeda kills more Muslims than [it kills citizens of] any other foreign imperial power in the world." When asked for clarification, though, Manji confirmed: "I meant more Muslims are killed by al-Qaeda than by any foreign imperial power." When we asked for factual evidence to support that claim, she provided a link to the "Deadly Vanguards" study from the Combating Terrorism Center, as well as her own 2009 blog post summarizing the study. Both of these sources support the claim that "The highest number of victims that al-Qaeda has are Muslims," but they do not shed any light on whether "al-Qaeda kills more Muslims than any other foreign imperial power in the world."

    Many of our Truthsquad participants wrestled with the ambiguity of Manji's claim. Lynn Caporale pointed out that the statement could be interpreted to be true if it concerned only Muslim civilians targeted intentionally, but not if it addressed all Muslims, including organized combatants. Christoph Wienands also pointed out that Manji "does not distinguish between civilian and militant/terrorist casualties," so presumably the number of Muslims killed by U.S.-led forces should include organized combatants, not just civilians. Many Truthsquad participants thought it was unlikely that al-Qaeda could have killed more Muslims than U.S.-led forces have over time.

    However, Manji's statement was made in the present tense, so her statement could be interpreted as applying to current events, rather than the histories of the ongoing conflicts. As pointed out in the latest Iraq Body Count study, non-state terrorist actions killed nearly 50 times more Iraqi civilians than coalition forces did in 2009, which suggests that Manji's statement is plausible. This statistic does not distinguish between al-Qaeda actions and those of other terrorist organizations, though, nor does it teach us anything about the facts outside of Iraq, so it can't be seen as convincing evidence for Manji's claim.

    Overall, Manji's main point is that al-Qaeda kills a lot of Muslims, and this strikes us as a reasonable statement. However, she appears to have overreached in her claim that al-Qaeda kills more Muslims than any state actor does. For this reason, we find her statement to be half true.

    -- Jon Mitchell, on behalf of NewsTrust Editors


    P.S.: Do you agree with our findings? Tell us what you think in our comments section. We had a lively discussion on this topic, so be sure to read what other participants thought of this quote before adding your comment.

Community Findings

Half True (3.3)
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  • Jon Mitchell
    Jon Mitchell
    Not Sure
    Prof. Manji has clarified to me that she did, in fact, mean that Al Qaeda kills more Muslims than any foreign imperial power does. I couldn't believe it at first, but I've reconsidered. She's speaking in the present tense, so if we interpret her statement to mean that this is true right now, I think it's true. Iraq sees more terrorism than any other state in the world, so if that's a representative example, terrorist attacks dwarf the number of casualties due to U.S.-led forces last year, according to Iraq Body Count. That figure doesn't distinguish al Qaeda from other organizations, but looking at their legacy in Iraq, we can assume they're responsible for a substantial portion. Still, not all Muslims are civilians, and we'd have to account for all the Muslims, even combatants, killed in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not sure yet.
  • Andrew Hazlett
    Andrew Hazlett
    True
  • Fabrice Florin
    Fabrice Florin
    Not Sure
    Based on the evidence we found to date, it appears that this statement is only half-true. Though it is possible that Al Qaeda kills more Muslims than other foreign powers, we couldn't find conclusive factual documentation to support that assertion, even after we asked its author. She appears to be correct in her preceding statement that Al Qaeda kills more Muslims than non-Muslims, though. And the whole subject is very murky, subject to interpretation, with little definitive factual evidence. Overall, I tend to agree with the author's main point that Al Qaeda kills a lot of Muslims, and for that reason recommend a verdict of "Half True". Thanks to everyone who participated in this investigation. What a wonderful way to learn together about important topics -- and practice our research skills as a community!
  • Kristin Gorski
    Kristin Gorski
    Not Sure
    I'm not sure about this, as I think there is a universal lack of clarity in defining what Al Qaeda is. The group seems to vary widely from country to country. Some news reports state that it has a clearly defined hierarchy in its leadership, others state that it springs up spontaneously without much planning. I'm very interested to read the verdict and the supporting evidence.
  • Ron Blau
    Ron Blau
    False
  • Scott Rosenberg
    Scott Rosenberg
    False
  • Joe Kraynik
    Joe Kraynik
    Not Sure
  • Sirajul Islam
    Sirajul Islam
    True
  • Jack Powers
    Jack Powers
    True
  • Lynn Caporale
    Lynn Caporale
    Not Sure
    It depends upon the precise meaning. I am guessing she means something along the lines of: Al Qaeda purposely places bombs at spots where there is no doubt that Muslim civilians will be killed. The number of civilians killed in these attacks is larger than the number of civilians intentionally killed by any other foreign imperial power; in that case it sounds true to me. But it does not seem true with a different interpretation. For example, if you add up the number of Iraqi citizens killed as a consequence of the Bush/Cheney invasion, however indirectly, that is a very large number (and includes-and so is larger than-- many directly killed by Al Qaeda).
  • Carlos R. Candelaria
    Carlos R. Candelaria
    False
  • Joel Kulenkamp
    Joel Kulenkamp
    False
  • Margaret McGowan
    Margaret McGowan
    Not Sure
  • Richard Mitchell
    Richard Mitchell
    True
  • Mark Pettit
    Mark Pettit
    True
  • Patrick McGuire
    Patrick McGuire
    False
    It is a misleading statement. Even in the US we kill more of our own citizens that any foreign power. It is not a helpful statement.
  • Naomi Isler
    Naomi Isler
    Not Sure
  • Christoph Wienands
    Christoph Wienands
    False
  • J Sinclaire
    J Sinclaire
    False
  • Robin Osborne McMullen
    Robin Osborne McMullen
    True
  • David Jaffe
    David Jaffe
    True
  • Dyann Putman
    Dyann Putman
    True
  • Scott Ruecker
    Scott Ruecker
    True
  • Jeff Harris
    Jeff Harris
    True
    Especially if we are talking in the present tense. And then too the attack on the World Trade Center released a terrible retribution that they must take responsibility for. [Not Iraq, Bush and Chaney own that.]
  • Susan Harper
    Susan Harper
    True
  • Pete Bollini
    Pete Bollini
    True
  • Lon Diffenderfer
    Lon Diffenderfer
    False
    If we are using only the "Iraq Body Count" study numbers from 2009, I think the argument becomes ridiculous. Is it more important that Al Qaeda killed more Muslims than "imperial forces" in 2009? Or, is it more important that these "imperial forces" have killed multiples more Muslims since Al Qaeda made itself known somewhere around 1988?
  • Jacob Costa
    Jacob Costa
    Not Sure
  • Jerry Jackson
    Jerry Jackson
    True
  • Danielle Christenson
    Danielle Christenson
    True
    As I looked for evidence to whether this quote was true or false, Irshad Manji did in fact say the quote and it was not taken out of context. Although, no sources are found to back up the statement. The oppose this statement say Iraq civilian body count is as low as it was in 2003. So, I agree with all of the other people who have posted on this truthsquad, the statement made is only "half true".
  • Tim Waters
    Tim Waters
    False
    Of course this is false, What about Russia, in Afghanistan. Or you can say Foreign interest that would include the USA.
  • Russ Soucy
    Russ Soucy
    True
  • Roger Westmoreland
    Roger Westmoreland
    False
    Al Qaeda may have gained strength or even been created by US publicity of a previously unknown organisation. It is now a truly Orwellian structure that the US rollsout every few months to keep the western world in a state of suspicion, confusion and plain stupidity - Just as with Emmanual Goldstein in '1984' so with Osama Bin Ladan and Al Qaeda now - ratchet up the propaganda to justify perpetual war. The US kills more Muslims, Christians etc. than any other organisation on Earth.
  • Kevin Holton
    Kevin Holton
    False
  • Ian Francis
    Ian Francis
    True
  • Buck Little
    Buck Little
    False
    I do not think that all in all Al Qaeda has killed more Muslims than the US and allies have in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. I have not tried to verify this. If you take the statement to mean "kills" in the present tense meaning right now today and not in the last 10 years then, sure, probably this is true.
  • Larry Grinstead
    Larry Grinstead
    True
  • Charles Ramos
    Charles Ramos
    True
  • judith martin
    judith martin
    True
  • Ara Gregorian
    Ara Gregorian
    False
  • Michael E. Russell
    Michael E. Russell
    False
    The USA is responsible for an estimated 1,200,000 deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other countries, most of which are Muslims.
  • Bruce Whitham
    Bruce Whitham
    False
  • Clayton Powers
    Clayton Powers
    True
  • Stan Goldstein
    Stan Goldstein
    True
  • Harvey Elwood Jr
    Harvey Elwood Jr
    True
  • george collins
    george collins
    False
    The available reports, credibility aside, suggest that the Taliban may kill more Muslims than US/NATO. The Taliban is not a foreign imperial force. al Qaeda may technically be a foreign imperial force, though there's scant evidence as to the make up of the 50 - 100 al Qaeda said to be in Afghanistan. Conclusion: False. US/NATO kills more Muslims, if we assume that most of those civilians killed are Muslims.
  • JP Cohen
    JP Cohen
    Not Sure
  • Sally Dunford
    Sally Dunford
    False
  • Dorothy Dinnigan
    Dorothy Dinnigan
    True
  • Ben Chatterton
    Ben Chatterton
    Not Sure
  • Felix
    Felix
    Not Sure
  • John Hartnett
    John Hartnett
    True
  • Ashley Weekes
    Ashley Weekes
    Not Sure
    After research and reading other comments on this statement, I'm not completely sure as to whether this quote is true. Prof. Manji's quote may have been taken out of context, but there is no textual evidence proving her claim. There is evidence to prove that the highest number of victims al - queda has are Muslims, but there is no evidence to compare al - quedas killing of to any other imperial power in the world.
  • Carlo Caraluzzo
    Carlo Caraluzzo
    False
    Al Qaeda has been in existance since the Republican Party created it in the 1980´s. Western governments have been killing Muslims for nearly 1000 years. If Al Queda had killed all those people in 25 years the bodies would be stacked a couple of miles high. It is this type of attitude that has brought nothing but war to humankind since Constantine legalized Christianity. Those three religions have brought nothing but a wash of blood, horror and destruction.
  • James Acree
    James Acree
    Not Sure
  • Paula Terry-Lancaster
    Paula Terry-Lancaster
    True
  • Kent Book
    Kent Book
    True
  • Francesca R. Bates
    Francesca R. Bates
    False
  • Basab Barua
    Basab Barua
    True
  • Lisa Rivers
    Lisa Rivers
    True
    This seems to be supported by a report from the US Military Academy. Doesn't seem like this would be something that particular organization would be inclined to report if it were not substantiated, more likely they would lean the other way.
  • Susan Avent Jacobs
    Susan Avent Jacobs
    True
  • Alicia Mulliken
    Alicia Mulliken
    Not Sure
  • Christian Kuech
    Christian Kuech
    True
  • Thomas Hetman
    Thomas Hetman
    True
  • Phyllis J. Kirk
    Phyllis J. Kirk
    True
  • Aminah Carroll
    Aminah Carroll
    False
    Very interesting and thought provoking comment...operational definitions are key--what do we mean by "imperial power"? and are we oincluding an accurate count of civilians in Iraqi "war" ie failed American colonization attempt, for example
  • Scott Ross
    Scott Ross
    False
  • Thomas Ginsberg
    Thomas Ginsberg
    True
  • genie L
    genie L
    False
    I'm sure the war mongers would LOVE for us to buy that! Most of the "terrorist" incidents are false flags to begin with. "when the fox starts preaching look to your hens." Beware of boogeymen and scapegoats, our own government is at work.
  • Annie Vickery
    Annie Vickery
    True
  • owen j ferguson
    owen j ferguson
    True
  • Michelle Jacobcik
    Michelle Jacobcik
    True
  • Samuel Ebersole
    Samuel Ebersole
    True
  • Tamie Baggett
    Tamie Baggett
    True
  • Joanne Frank
    Joanne Frank
    Not Sure
  • patricia murdock
    patricia murdock
    False
  • Errol Sawyer
    Errol Sawyer
    False

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