Editor Findings
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Half TrueWe found this statement to be Half True, though it proved particularly difficult to fact check. Data on worldwide college graduation rates and high school drop out rates are disparate and inconsistent, not least because educational standards vary from country to country, even in the post-industrial world. Many of the articles we examined made generalizations related to the issues Laura Tyson cited, but by and large they failed to back up what they reported with reliable evidence from unbiased sources.
Overall, we found that Tyson didn't have strong grounds on which to say the United States used to rank first in college graduations and currently leads the world in high school drop out rates. But she hit the mark when it came to recent college graduation rates.
No source we checked seemed to dispute the assertion that the United States used to lead the world in college graduation rates. But at the same time, nothing we saw provided concrete support for this part of the statement. A New York TImes article came closest (see sidebar link), quoting the chancellor of the University System of Maryland as saying the United States ranked first in the 1980s. Articles about a College Board study said the same, but a close inspection of the study revealed that the study's authors don't say how long it's been since the United States fell behind other countries, or how they made that determination in the first place.
When Tyson pegged the United States at "number 14, number 15" in the world, she probably meant it as a ballpark figure. According to the nonpartisan Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), which compiles statistics on a range of global economic and social issues, the United States ranked 14th among 22 countries surveyed in terms of the percentage of adults with college degrees as of 2007. The College Board study -- as cited in the Christian Science Monitor, the Washington Post and elsewhere (see sidebar links) -- called the United States number 12 in the same statistic. The difference is small enough that Tyson's ballpark figure appears true.
Tyson's claim that the United States leads the world in high school dropout rates was difficult to verify with our modest resources. Plenty of stories we read talked about the shrinking graduation rates in America's high schools, and most sources put the dropout rate at about 30 percent. The OECD says the U.S. high school graduation rate is below the OECD average of 82 percent, but not at rock bottom -- this statistic, however, doesn't consider youths who don't complete high school. Other data was far too thin to make a definitive call.
-- By Derek Hawkins, on behalf of the NewsTrust Editors
Community Findings
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Derek Hawkins
Not SureI'll be writing up the verdict for this quote later in the week, but for the moment it's a definite 'not sure.' I've found some statistics that indicate Tyson may be right when she says the United States ranks 14th or 15th in college graduation rates. The remark about high school drop out rates, however, seems more tenuous. Figures for worldwide high school drop out rates are hard to come by, especially because standards vary from country to country, so it's going to be harder to give her a green light on that one.Once a Leader, U.S. Lags in Attaining College Degrees
U.S. goes from leading to lagging in young college graduates
How Bad Are Our Graduation Rates? ? The American, A Magazine of Ideas
U.S. College Graduation Rates Lack, Continue Slipping
Countries with the highest college graduation rates - Canada, 55.8 percent
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Kristin Gorski
Not SureI cannot find an objective report that ranks countries by their high school dropout rates. I've found many articles that outline the problems the U.S. is facing in stopping students from dropping out of high school, and these have confirmed that it is an enormous problem. Other articles I've found also confirm that many other countries worldwide have problems with high rates of school graduation, even at the elementary level.President Obama Announces Steps to Reduce Dropout Rate and Prepare Students for College and Careers
UNESCO: Financial crisis threatens education | Radio Netherlands Worldwide
High School Dropout Crisis Threatens U.S. Economic Growth and Competiveness, Witnesses Tell House Panel | Press Releases | Committee on Education and Labor
Class Struggle - Must-read new report on high school dropouts
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Melva Hackney
TrueWe probably were, but only because our college degrees are easier to come by. Most countries' high school graduate is equal to 2 or 3 yrs of college in US. Many countries in the high school exchange program do not count the year the child goes to high school in US: they have to repeat the year when they go home. At least, that's the way it was years ago when I was up on the program. -
Patrick McGuire
FalseAccording to OECD i:ibrary since 2000 the US was not the leader and and never has been. Iceland has had the geatest increase from 2000 - 2007. China's stats were not listed. Us is more towards the bottom. ll countries have some increase. -
Warrior Wheatman
TrueTrue, but: In Philadelphia, the country's sixth largest school district, about one of every three students fails to graduate -- about the national average. CBS News correspondent Bill Whitaker reports that of the 4 million students who enter high school every year, one million of them will drop out before graduation. Michael Piscal, Headmaster of View Park Prep Charter: half of all students in the country's 50 largest school districts fail to get a high school diploma. Thirty years ago the United States led the world in high school graduation. Today we rank 18th BUT:according to tertiary entrants, there has not been a slackening off -it stabalised at 65% of that population age.- or about 8th globally. Education: Key Tables from OECD 2. Tertiary education entry rates First time entrants as a percentage of the population in the corresponding age group doi: 10.1787/20755120-2010-table2 -
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John Aherne
FalseWe have one of the most expensive school systems in the world, no way we are tops for graduation rates. -
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Preston Watts
FalseDook all of 5 minutes to debunk that one. http://allafrica.com/stories/201002220611.html -
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Scott Edward Steiner
True4th place - Three countries have surpassed the U.S. in the proportion of the population that has graduated from college, according to a study from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=10045 16th place - The United States is lacking in higher education, according to a report released by the National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education…. The U.S. only earns 17 degrees for every 100 students enrolled, which places it 16th internationally and in the lower half of the 27 countries. Japan, the leader in terms of completion has more than a 50 percent advantage over the U.S., earning 26 degrees for every 100 enrollees. 15th place - Despite improvements since the early 1990s, the US ranks 15th of 29 developed nations in terms of degrees granted: For every 100 students enrolled, countries such as Switzerland, Japan, and Australia award 26 degrees, compared with the 18 in the US. In fact, nearly half of American students at four-year colleges don't finish within six years, according to a report card released Wednesday by a higher-education policy group. -
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Aubrey Weber
TrueI cannot find an exact number to whichg the US falls under. but from what i read, this seems to be about the most accurate account of rankings ive seen. -
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Roger Morris
Falsetop 8 universities in the us. http://www.4icu.org/top200/ -
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Look for verifiable facts about this claim.Try to check at least three different sources.
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Class Struggle - Must-read new report on high school dropouts
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High School Dropout Crisis Threatens U.S. Economic Growth and Competiveness, Witnesses Tell House Panel | Press Releases | Committee on Education ...
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UNESCO: Financial crisis threatens education | Radio Netherlands Worldwide
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President Obama Announces Steps to Reduce Dropout Rate and Prepare Students for College and Careers
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Graduation rate for US high-schoolers falls for second straight year - CSMonitor.com
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Countries with the highest college graduation rates - Canada, 55.8 percent
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Home Page | collegeboard.sourcetop.com
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How Bad Are Our Graduation Rates? ? The American, A Magazine of Ideas
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U.S. goes from leading to lagging in young college graduates




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